How I Retired My Husband From His 9 to 5

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AMY: Welcome to the Peaceful Entrepreneur podcast, where together we are finding peace in the process of everyday business ownership by improving one step at a time, how we think and what we do. I'm your host, Amy Stout.

Hello everyone, welcome back! Thank you so much for being here. Today I am so excited to share this story of how I retired my husband from his 9-5 and I know that is like so clickbait-y but honestly that's the clickbait that works on me and it's the actual truth of what happened in our situation. So it's not true clickbait because it's just real, but I'm really excited to share this.

I want to take this opportunity to kind of tell you the story of Abide in general. And I'm going to start with how it's set up now so you can kind of understand what the structure is and have a foundation for understanding how Luke fits into it, as well as I want to go back and share how I started things and where my head was at and how we got to the point of being able to make our business our sole income and become a family business and work together.

And then at the end of the episode, Luke is going to come in and share about his experience transitioning over from a nine to five to working on the business with me and we're also going to share what we're looking forward to as we continue to run this business together because that is our full intention is to just continue to be full-time entrepreneurs together.

So it's the dream life that we want. It's not everybody's dream life but we are so happy and so extremely blessed and grateful that the Lord has allowed us to do it at such a young age. So I'm just pumped to share our story with you. I hope you enjoy.

Today I want to share the story of my business, Abide, so you can know a bit more about where I'm coming from and what I've been through the last two years. It hasn't been an easy road, but it's been the most rewarding one. And I've seen so clearly how God has written every detail, every step of the way. So let's start with how things are now. As I'm recording this in January of 2023, you'll really be able to see both how things have changed so much since the beginning, but also how the central mission has never changed, which I think is really cool.

The purpose and mission of Abide is and always has been to glorify God while providing excellent services to clients who want to have more peace in running their business. So you can see that peace has been a theme since the start. But the primary way we carry out this mission has been tweaked over time. And so has the idea of our target client.

As of now, the primary way we put our mission into action is by providing creative outsourcing services. We mainly focus these services for content creators. So anyone who is putting out content on the internet, whether it be a podcast, YouTube video, Instagram, what have you. The four main areas we provide services are affiliate marketing support, copywriting, editing, and brand and web design. We have team members that specialize in each of these areas so you don't have to run around finding four different contractors for each thing. You can come to one place and get all the creative outsourcing needs filled. So we can do anything from making graphics for you to post on your Amazon storefront, to creating your monthly newsletter, to editing your podcasts and YouTube videos, to creating a beautiful website for your brand. It's a really cool setup, but of course remember it wasn't always this way. More on that later.

The second way we carry out our mission is through our consulting services. I started doing one-on-one consulting in the beginning of my second year of business and I found it to truly be the ultimate space where my passions and giftings meet. I love chatting with entrepreneurs, some at the beginning of their journey, some at a crossroads somewhere down the line, and working with them through all the clutter in their brain. I'm naturally someone who likes to get to the root of things and solve the problem from there. So I love to ask questions to get the full picture and then create a personalized plan for you to work through your hurdles and then achieve your goals. I'm also happy to provide ongoing accountability and support as you work through your plan. So you have a bit of external motivation to keep going. We entrepreneurs need that.

So up until now, those two avenues have been the only two ways we're carrying out our mission. But now we have a third avenue: this podcast. We want to encourage and equip entrepreneurs to have more peace in running their business through each conversation we have here.

And if you think about it, we really now have three levels that you can be involved with Abide. The podcast is our DIY “do it yourself” level where you can come get some tools and implement them into your life yourself. The consulting piece is our “done with you” method where we work one-on-one to build out your personalized plan but you still have to be the one to put it into practice. And finally, our outsourcing services are “done for you” method so you can completely hand over the reins to us to handle your to-dos and free up your time.

You may have already noticed, but my target client/listener for the consulting and the podcast is definitely broader than the target client for the outsourcing services. I feel with consulting and this podcast, I can really connect with all entrepreneurs and speak from a more bird's eye view. But with our outsourcing services, we keep that target client range very specific so we can truly niche down and specialize into what we're doing for them.

Okay, so now you have a pretty good sense of what Abide looks like in its current state. So let's go all the way back to the beginning and let me tell you how we got here.

Almost exactly two years ago from the day that I'm recording this, I saw a video about being a virtual assistant. I'd been working as an admin assistant for about a year and I liked the work, but I didn't love working for someone. I was already comfortable with the idea of working for myself because as a sign language interpreter, most of your jobs are freelance.

So it's January, 2021. I was a year and a half out of school, almost a year into a worldwide pandemic, and I just felt like I hadn't found my right fit professionally. I'd tried working as an interpreter. I tried working as a barista. I tried working in admin, and nothing had quite clicked. Not to mention I had basically zero momentum in any career since the world was basically shut down.

But when I saw that video, something sparked. I thought, I could do that. I knew I had a natural inclination for administrative work, I knew I wanted to work for myself, and I lived in a world that had become very comfortable with remote work. So those three facts combined into a pretty perfect opportunity.

Within about a month, I had a preliminary business plan, an LLC, a bank account, some DIY branding, and I launched White Poppy Co. on February 10th, 2021, which of course was two years ago exactly if you're listening to this on the day that it airs.

But of course, you don't know the business as White Poppy Co., but that was its name for the first year. In that first year, I worked with six different clients from all different professions. I hadn't yet narrowed down my target client. Which I understand you have to go through a period of working with a lot of people to figure out who you really like to work with. I just have to say, I think that period was a little bit longer than it needed to be for me. But we got here eventually.

So I worked with those clients and I got a ton of experience because I learned about all their different professions, and I also helped them with a lot of different things. Again, I hadn't narrowed down the services that I was offering, so I was basically offering anything they needed, which is great for getting experience, but is not great for your mental sanity. But I digress.

I got a ton of experience, and it was very valuable. So I got to work in social media, work with influencers, work with executives, being an executive assistant. I got to do event planning. I got to do social media management, I got to do invoicing, really anything under the sun that was administrative. And after that first year, I had narrowed down two things. I narrowed down what services I enjoyed providing and who I enjoyed providing them to.

So I worked for a few months leading up to February 10th, 2022, which was my year anniversary of being in business, and on that day, I rebranded the business to be ABIDE Virtual, serving content creators and entrepreneurs by supporting their creative outsourcing needs.

But that was still a year ago. So I was closer to where I am now, but I still wasn't quite there. So I started working with my new target clients continuing to niche my services from general admin tasks into more specialized creative tasks like social media, Pinterest, websites, etc.

That same month, I also hired my first subcontractor, Katie, who you'll hear from in the future. She changed the game for Abide because not only did hiring her mean I could take on more work, but it also meant we could expand our services because she had new skills that I didn't.

In those following months, I also hired three other subcontractors to help with the business and I absolutely love them. The current state of the business would be absolutely impossible without them.

So like I said, with expanding our team, that also meant we could expand our capacity and our services. And what was cool is I saw a direct response from my business. In the back to school timing of 2022, so around August, every single one of my clients asked for more work. So we had a boom of demand and I started to feel like I couldn't keep up. I had people in place to help me, but what I hadn't done is set up the right systems on the backside of the business to support the demand of the increasing asks from our clients. But I didn't know that yet at that time. So I just tried to keep up and it ended up in me taking on a lot of the work. That of course quickly turned into long work days, which turned into long weeks, which quickly became burnout. I started to feel like my brain couldn't function on a higher than 60% capacity. I felt like I couldn't even do the simplest tasks well because there was just too much going on.

So at that point in time, I knew I needed to call in reinforcements. And I had this one certain reinforcement in mind for a while, and that was my husband. So I haven't actually talked about him at all yet on this podcast. So let me tell you about Luke. Luke and I have been married for three years, and we dated for three and a half years before that. We've always been the couple that just gets along really well. And ever since we were dating, we had the dream of working together in the future. And I know not every couple can do that. Absolutely not. But we can and we wanted to. And so we held that dream in the back of our minds through our dating engagement and the first three years of our marriage. He worked different retail and office jobs, knowing that it wasn't ever his true dream, but it would support us while we got there.

And so we always had in mind, like how can we get Luke into this business? And right around the same time that I was starting to burn out, he was also starting to wear out on his job. And the work was starting to really wear him down. So he was also becoming ready to move on.

Now the last piece that really was the most crucial thing to our plan was we needed to be making enough money in the business to support us when he left. And in September of 2022, God really aligned those three things to make us feel peace about making the decision for Luke to go ahead and step away from his job and join the business. So he actually came on at the beginning of October and has been working with me for three months now.

So let's go ahead and welcome Luke onto the podcast!

LUKE: Hello, hello!

AMY: Hello! This is so fun. It's kind of, it's kind of actually a dream come true to be doing a podcast with you. Luke and I, it's back in the depths of YouTube, but Luke and I posted a few YouTube videos back in the day because we thought we wanted to be content creators together.

LUKE: We did. Please don't go looking for those. Please don't.

AMY: And I think we were onto something, like we knew we wanted to work together. We knew we wanted to do something untraditional. Yeah. But at least personally, I don't think YouTube is for me. But podcasts, it's definitely for me.

LUKE: YouTube is fun, but there's a lot of pressure, I feel like, with that. But it's still a very cool medium. I think as a couple, that's not our strength.

AMY: Yeah, for sure. Well, let me tell you a little bit about Luke. Luke and I met in 2015, freshman year of college, straight out the gate, and it didn't take long for us to start dating. Dated all the way through college and then got married right after. And that was a great path for us. I know that's not for everybody, but I loved it. And now it's been three years. And Luke and I are very different, but we compliment each other really well. I think what we do have in common really bonds us, you know, our faith. And we're both kind of chill to some extent. Luke is way more chill than me, but I'm also not, I'm not crazy.

LUKE: No, only sometimes.

AMY: Only sometimes. But we balance each other out because Luke calms me down and I kind of maybe encourage him toward a little more order. I don't know. How would you describe that? I think. What's a nice way to say that I balance you out?

LUKE: Yeah. I think because of how good you are at like getting things done and setting a goal and kind of going after it. I think you help me with practically setting goals instead of just like thinking about like, that'd be cool to do this. You know?

AMY: I love that. Yeah. And when I get overly ambitious and stress myself out, Luke is good at calming me down in the moment and also helping me draw my line and helping me see where I need to kind of cut things out or say no or whatever, fill in the blank. Yeah I feel like we're yeah we're very blessed to be able to complement each other in that way.

LUKE: I think it balances out very well and probably makes us both better people but also just healthier mentally I think as well.

AMY: So yeah the type A part of me is very different than Luke. So Luke is just like he's go with the flow, he's surfer mentality. And with that comes a lot of creativity and artistry.

And so something I love about Luke is just that he's musical on a lot of different fronts. Like he writes music, but he plays music, he sings, and we enjoy doing that together. And I feel like that's the main way you're creative.

LUKE: Yeah, that's kind of the big thing. As I've gotten older, it has more completely moved into music in one way or another. But that creativity started in a lot of different ways, I think.

AMY: A lot of different ways being Legos.

LUKE: Yeah it started in a lot of different ways with like drawing and journaling and stuff that my mom had us do as kids, like being out in nature, like drawing things and observing nature. So I feel like that artistic side I very much get from my mom. But yeah, as I've gotten older, it has taken shape and mostly music, I would say.

AMY: But also, you kind of followed that art realm because you studied architecture for a bit in college.

LUKE: For a year.

AMY: For a bit. And now it kind of plays out with your role in the business because one of the main specialties that we brought you on for is editing for audio and video. And so this is a great time to say that Luke is the editor and producer for this podcast as well as being my recurring guest slash co-host.

LUKE: If it sounds like crap, you can blame me. (laughing)

AMY: And he also provides editing services for our clients who outsource to us. And he does some really amazing work with video editing as well. So you're artsy on a lot of fronts and I'm just glad to finally be working together and making this dream a reality.

LUKE: Me too.

AMY: So let's talk about the transition from you working a nine to five, which you did for two years. And then before that you were in retail. So hours were a little all over the place.

LUKE: All over, yeah.

AMY: Into not only becoming a freelancer, but also working with your wife. Yeah, that's a lot of big changes when you think about it.

LUKE: It really is. So like Amy said, I've worked retail, which at one point in your life, you're probably gonna work retail or in the food service of some sort. So like a lot of high schoolers, my parents were like, "You should get a job." As soon as I was able to drive, I was like, "All right." So I worked at a local sporting goods store. And again, those hours are like, as a high schooler fine, but you know, as you get older, it's like having to work weekends and stuff is not ideal.

AMY: Yeah, especially when you're married and you know, one of you is working traditional hours and the other one's working off hours and then you never see each other.

LUKE: Yeah, and then you never see each other. Yeah, so worked retail for a long time. Then COVID happened and obviously a lot of places closed. So I got a job with a medical software company that was amazing. That job was, you know, obviously more traditional hours, 40 hour work week, eight to five. And so that, that was great. I think that was amazing experience that I valued a lot.

But so I did that from a couple of months after the world had shut down. Yeah, I guess it was September of 2020 until September of 2022. And that was again, a great job, but towards the end, as Amy was kind of starting to feel burnt out with Abide, you know, with everything just feeling very overloaded. I had been kind of feeling like I wanted to take a step away from my nine to five due to some burnout and stuff. And those kind of both started happening around the same time.

And we were like, you know, gosh, it really seems like the Lord is pushing us to take this jump. And then at that same time, with Abide, we sort of saw the Lord was really providing for the business and it was like, okay, now financially it looks like it can work. And we felt a little more comfortable in taking that jump. And so we were like, I think now is the time.

So September of last year, I stepped away from my nine to five and came on full time with Abide. And I say full time very loosely because it definitely wasn’t full time work. I was more of a, sometimes it kind of felt like an intern, you know, the “go-for”, go for coffee, go for lunch.

AMY: Make sure Amy is mentally stable which is a full time job in and of itself (laughing).

LUKE: Yeah, but, you know, keep her fed, keep her happy. Yeah. Just as I kind of sat around and just like observed her, you know, what she was doing and just like had her, you know, I just wanted her to kind of show me how everything worked, whether that be specific client work or on the back end with like finances, because working a nine to five, like we had, you know, it's not like I didn't know anything about the business, right? I had, you were able to share a lot with me over the last, the previous year, right? Year and a half.

So I knew a lot about the business, but when I started working with her, it was like, there were just a lot of day to day things that I just hadn't observed yet. And so just getting a chance to, to just soak that up and learn kind of what she was doing for all of the clients, I think was a big part of that early stage and that early transition, which I enjoy.

I mean, I enjoy learning. I think everybody should strive to be a lifelong learner, in whatever area you're interested in. But it was a cool opportunity to be able to just kind of soak up and learn.

And it meant that I didn't have to get up super early and same routine, drink a cup of coffee, maybe make a smoothie for breakfast, pack a lunch, take a shower and get out the door before Amy's barely awake sometimes. And so even that was like, man, like instead of getting up at 6:15, I'll get up at 7.30. Like that's great.

AMY: To your credit too, like you did immediately start taking stuff on that was overwhelming me. And even though it didn't feel like much to you, it was a huge weight off of me because the weight was so heavy.

And so having you in that practical way, but also in the emotional support and literally like making me food sometimes, like we're joking, but that was for real, like a huge help and support to me.

LUKE: It would be like maybe like end of the day, I'd be coming home from work and be like, “what do you wanna do for dinner? What meal do we wanna cook tonight?” And you'd be like, “well, I didn't eat lunch(laughing) So I'm pretty hungry.”

AMY: Well, it was bad. Luke's way better at feeding himself than I am, which sounds so silly.

LUKE: It sounds, well it's funny because, talk about how you are so much more orderly, right? Just with everything and I tend to be a little more, like you said, surfer mentality. I'm just like, rolling with the waves. But yeah, when it comes to meals, I guess I'm pretty disciplined. I don't know, I like food, you know?

AMY: Well, and healthy habits. Like you're way more disciplined with working out than me too. So I feel like in those two areas is where our personalities flip flop. And that really came out.

This is a tangent, but during COVID when everything shut down, Luke and I lived in a 450 square foot tiny little like basically studio, like it was a mother in law suite. And so we were in very close quarters, but he would still like make his breakfast at eight, make his lunch at 12 and we would have dinner. And I just would like not eat till 2 PM sometimes. Cause I just forget.

LUKE: And then when she did eat it would be like a cheese quesadilla.

AMY: Stop calling me out (laughing). But anyways, yeah, he's very disciplined. I'm not.

And you know, when I was in that burnout space with just working all the time and the burnout was caused by trying to run the business and work in the business simultaneously for too long. And I would just get zoned in and like, couldn't like pull myself out of the mental, like, get myself in the mental space to make food.

So it was tiny, but it was so, it was your support during that time meant so much. And it makes me think about how we kind of recovered from our burnout simultaneously and kind of helped each other in different ways to do that.

So like you’re saying, like stepping away from having to get up super early and get out the door and all of that and just having the opportunity to just like chill a little bit more. And then the way that you supported me in kind of taking some stuff off of my plate to lighten up my mental load and you know. That's really special. We got to do that for each other. It's true.

LUKE: Yeah. I hadn't really thought about it like that. You're right.

AMY: But something funny happened like a week into Luke coming on. So he started on October 6th, I believe and a week later, the following Wednesday, I, we were sitting in a coffee shop and I was just getting in my feelings and I don't think I fully expressed how truly burnt out I was and so I started to write an Instagram post just like in that moment and it's still up it's like the post starts like this is gonna be a real post or something like that 'cause I don't have anything else to post. I was very dramatic.

But I wrote that, I remember, and it was the start of my processing of what was going on. And then on the drive home from the coffee shop, I just started verbally processing more with Luke, and in that moment realized that the burnout was caused by not having the right systems in place for the business. And it wasn't going to be fixed just by Luke coming on and helping me. It needed to be fixed from the ground up and like reestablish how we run things in the business.

And I just like had the realization that that's the only way that anything was going to get better. And so then started the journey of figuring out what that new structure was. And the short way to explain the change was I was still functioning a lot like a virtual assistant. And in my mind, the premise of a virtual assistant is like, “Hey, what do you need? Give me your entire list. I'll find a way to do it.” Right. And that was effective in the first little while of my business. Cause I got a lot of experience with a lot of different things, but it also spreads you thin very fast. And if you have more than three or four clients, you're not going to be able to keep up. And that's what I was starting to experience.

So I realized that I needed to shift how I was offering my services. And thankfully, because we were a year and a half in, I had a pretty good sense of who I wanted to serve and how I was going to most effectively serve them. So what I basically did was break down four, I call them buckets of services that we provide. So like I've already mentioned, the affiliate marketing support, the copywriting, the brand and web design and the editing, like those are the four buckets.

And I was like, okay, I'm gonna present this to our current and future clients as like, hey, here's what we do. You can take advantage of as little or as much as you would like, but like these are our specialty now and we're not gonna branch outside of them. And that then allowed me to basically have a point person for each service.

So the new structure meant that I was just managing everything and having the conversations with the clients to figure out what they need and then facilitating the connection between them and one of our contractors to get the work done. And I am like involved in the whole situation, but I am no longer doing any of the actual task force. So that's kind of how we built it out. And so we literally have Luke for editing, Beth for copywriting, Katie for brand and web design. And Luke also does the affiliate support.

And that was all fine and dandy, but the hard part came when we approached our current clients with our new structure. 'Cause I knew I had been kind of doing some grandfathering in and I knew I just couldn't do that anymore. I knew like everyone needed to function on the same structure for us to have peace mentally. Like for me to have peace mentally and for the business to be run effectively and actually scale.

So for some it was a fairly simple transition because some we had already kind of been functioning like that but for others like the clients that I've had since the very beginning of the business, it meant some pretty big shifts. So for a couple of them, it meant like not working together anymore, not because anything was wrong, but just because what I was doing for them before was not included in the new offerings, which is fine, but like that's transition. And then we also made some changes to our pricing structure, which resulted in losing some clients as well.

And so it was just a time of transition and a time that I'm thinking of as pruning, which is, it's just cool that like I've been able to tie the plant metaphor back to so much of the business. It's my favorite metaphor ever, but it truly was a pruning time and God pruned a little more than we expected. And so it kind of was a little reality check of like, okay, we're still not in control, never were, never will be. But we, you know, I can trick myself into thinking that a lot. And so just a reminder from the Lord that like, he's still in control, he still got us.

But during that time, I was obviously stressed, a little worried. So it was a tough period of time between like having the realization and rebuilding with the new structure. So it was like right when Luke came in. And it also resulted in all of the stuff I was originally gonna have Luke do actually kinda got cut out with that new structure. So then we were like, "Uh, okay, we brought Luke on. Now what's he gonna do?"

LUKE: I have nothing to do.

AMY: But honestly, the Lord, he rebuilt, he gave us some Miracle-Gro. Okay, sorry, that was cheesy. But he kind of like started rebuilding fairly quickly after that pruning session. I mean, not fairly quickly, it was within days.

LUKE: It was within days.

AMY: That we started experiencing some new growth. And that gave Luke something to do, and we continued to experience more growth. We were very, very blessed when a current client of ours referred us to a couple of her friends. And so we started gaining some new clients and, um, and so Luke has restored the work that he lost and we're very grateful for those clients.

And we're just continuing the journey of finding the people to work with that fit with our mission and how we function. And when we find the people who, you know, the help they need is exactly what we provide. You know, it's a perfect little match. And so we're just continuing to search for that.

LUKE: I think that's one of the most important things, right? I mean, obviously a business, you know, making money is awesome. We've got to make a living, got to support a family. Hopefully one day. I think that kind of at the core it's about helping people, right? I mean, the whole thing with this podcast is finding peace.

And so through the business, right? Like you've said previously, it's about helping others find peace and how we can help. Hopefully we can have a part in helping a client have peace in their business by taking things off their plate, by helping them expand and grow, whatever that might look like for each individual client. But I think that's a big part of it. So keeping that at the core is huge.

And so like Amy's saying, continuing to find those clients that best fit with us, I think that's a huge part that speaks to your character especially because we could sign a bunch of clients and make a lot of money, but is it a good match? Are we compatible in the way that we work? Are the things that we offer actually helping you make your business better, actually helping you find peace, right?

That was one of the cool things I liked about my previous job is one of our sales guys would always be like, “we're gonna tell you if we don't think it's a good match.” And obviously that's coming from our sales director, right, so always looking for, always looking to grow and bring on new clientele, right? So, for someone like that to say that and be like, “we're gonna be honest with you if we don't think it's a good fit.” We want you to, as the client, the prospective client, like we want you to have success, right? We make money off of you. That's awesome. That's great. And we help you. That's huge. Win-win. But if it's not a good fit, like we don't want you to, we don't want to put somebody in that situation if we can help it.

AMY: Yeah. That's absolutely true. I mean, serving people and helping people find and helping people grow is the utmost goal. And the result of that is just a blessing.

So we're really looking forward to what 2023 is gonna bring. We're continuing to, like Luke said, pursue clients who need outsourcing that are a good match, but we're also pursuing consulting clients. One of my true passions and joys of the business is providing those consulting services. And I love it because I can provide them to a wider range of clients. And so really any entrepreneur can benefit from them.

So I'm looking forward to with my newfound time that I have since I am managing the business and not working in the business anymore, I do have time to have those consulting sessions and create those personalized plans. And then we have time to do things like this, which is a passion project at this point. You know, like we're not expecting to make anything, but we are creating this podcast out of a, out of the inspiration that we feel to help people find peace of mind.

And it's just another branch—plant metaphors—of the mission statement of the business. So we're excited to see what the Lord does with the podcast and with our additional services and we're just doing our best, like I said in my Instagram post about the word of the year, just doing our best to maintain a peaceful mindset ourselves and to practice what we preach. And I have to have those moments with myself. And it's actually this, this podcast is good accountability for me because in the moments where I am tempted to stretch beyond what is peaceful for me, I can kind of reel back and remember like, hey, if I'm talking to others about how important this is, like I need to make sure I'm practicing it, doing it myself.

LUKE: Practicing it yourself, yeah.

AMY: So that's the biggest goal for the year is just trusting the Lord with things, maintaining a peaceful mindset and trusting that he will grow things how he wants to.

So to kind of wrap back around to the beginning of this episode, our goal is still the same as it was when we started. And we've basically just refined how we're carrying it out. And we will continue to do that. I have to keep reminding myself that like, I'm not gonna arrive and we're not gonna like, find a perfect state of business. Like the world is constantly changing. the social media internet world is constantly changing. And so we will always be refining and just fine tuning and making things better. And I'm excited to just continue to do that. And we had to go through some tough stuff to get to the point where we're at. But all of that is so valuable and the lessons we learned through the hard stuff are gonna help us to keep our peace better in the future 'cause we know what to look out for.

So now that you kinda know a little bit about me, a little bit about Luke and I, a little bit about our business, we're excited to start jumping into some practical tips. So thanks for being here. We will see you next time.

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